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		<title>Comment on Cognitive Development and the Basic Writer by celpjefscycle</title>
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		<title>Comment on Compositional Thought Butterflies by freeeeringtones</title>
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		<title>Comment on Double Your Blog, Double Your Fun! by Jon Benda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Benda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure what you mean by the irony of Gale&#039;s question about what community she belongs to. Could you explain that further?

I think for Gale the irony is that, as she says (and as you quoted above), although she put so much energy into &quot;becoming an American that [she] lost touch with [her] Chinese roots&quot; (104), when other people look at her, it&#039;s not as a &#039;complete&#039; American: &lt;blockquote&gt;You want to be an American? Then you have to accept what comes with being an American with a prefix, a Chinese-American, who is often seen in this country has having slanted, wandering eyes, walking with a shuffle, slurping soup nosily, living in a house with walls covered in grease from stir-frying, running a laundry or a restaurant, and speaking English with ugly ching-chong sounds. (109)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I may be reading too much into this, but it makes me think of a flip side to Royster&#039;s &quot;when the first voice you hear is not your own&quot;--it&#039;s when you are expected (required? assumed?) to speak for (as &lt;strike&gt;a&lt;/strike&gt; representative of) a particular group because of your ethnic/cultural background(s). 

There&#039;s an interesting, but to me rather complicated, point that Krista Ratcliffe makes in &lt;i&gt;Rhetorical Listening&lt;/i&gt; about listening metonymically, where we take others as being &lt;i&gt;associated with&lt;/i&gt;, but not necessarily &lt;i&gt;representative of&lt;/i&gt;, their ethnic or cultural group(s). I haven&#039;t quite worked out in my head what that actually means in practice, but if we place that idea next to Gale&#039;s and Royster&#039;s essays, maybe there&#039;s some way that the discipline can discuss ethnicity and rhetoric in a way that doesn&#039;t get wrapped up in stereotypes or labelling.

拋磚引玉 (&lt;i&gt;pao zhuan yin yu&lt;/i&gt;--I&#039;m just throwing a brick into the conversation to attract jade.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by the irony of Gale&#8217;s question about what community she belongs to. Could you explain that further?</p>
<p>I think for Gale the irony is that, as she says (and as you quoted above), although she put so much energy into &#8220;becoming an American that [she] lost touch with [her] Chinese roots&#8221; (104), when other people look at her, it&#8217;s not as a &#8216;complete&#8217; American:<br />
<blockquote>You want to be an American? Then you have to accept what comes with being an American with a prefix, a Chinese-American, who is often seen in this country has having slanted, wandering eyes, walking with a shuffle, slurping soup nosily, living in a house with walls covered in grease from stir-frying, running a laundry or a restaurant, and speaking English with ugly ching-chong sounds. (109)</p></blockquote>
<p>I may be reading too much into this, but it makes me think of a flip side to Royster&#8217;s &#8220;when the first voice you hear is not your own&#8221;&#8211;it&#8217;s when you are expected (required? assumed?) to speak for (as <strike>a</strike> representative of) a particular group because of your ethnic/cultural background(s). </p>
<p>There&#8217;s an interesting, but to me rather complicated, point that Krista Ratcliffe makes in <i>Rhetorical Listening</i> about listening metonymically, where we take others as being <i>associated with</i>, but not necessarily <i>representative of</i>, their ethnic or cultural group(s). I haven&#8217;t quite worked out in my head what that actually means in practice, but if we place that idea next to Gale&#8217;s and Royster&#8217;s essays, maybe there&#8217;s some way that the discipline can discuss ethnicity and rhetoric in a way that doesn&#8217;t get wrapped up in stereotypes or labelling.</p>
<p>拋磚引玉 (<i>pao zhuan yin yu</i>&#8211;I&#8217;m just throwing a brick into the conversation to attract jade.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on interAction!!! by tanyakrod</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 23:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be one sad day, my friend. 
One very sad day if computers pushed books out of existence.

But it&#039;s interesting to think about what our world would be like if it did happen. How would this change the ways in which we acquire literacy?  Would computers become the most influential sponsors of literacy in a child&#039;s life? Gasp.  Would academics all drop dead from heart attacks?

Did you read Tevis&#039; Mockingbird yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be one sad day, my friend.<br />
One very sad day if computers pushed books out of existence.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s interesting to think about what our world would be like if it did happen. How would this change the ways in which we acquire literacy?  Would computers become the most influential sponsors of literacy in a child&#8217;s life? Gasp.  Would academics all drop dead from heart attacks?</p>
<p>Did you read Tevis&#8217; Mockingbird yet?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Double Your Blog, Double Your Fun! by Eileen E. Schell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen E. Schell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Double the fun.

You provide a thoughtful read of Gale&#039;s essay.  I was interested in the struggle in Gale&#039;s essay, too. The struggle to identify and disidentify with a community, a people, and a political system that silenced so many, including Gale.  

It&#039;s interesting to compare/contrast Gale&#039;s essay with Royster&#039;s.  Both call for honesty and for truth.  Royster&#039;s essay, though, is firmly situated in the African American community, and her essay, since it was the Chair&#039;s address, has a quality of directly speaking to the reader/listener.  There are many moments when I feel Royster is speaking dead-on to us: telling difficult truths about how her voice--and those of African Americans-- have been misrecognized, misheard, silenced, run over the top of.  I hear &quot;rhetorical listening&quot; all over the place, and I hear her comments about the &quot;home training&quot;--not walking all over somebody&#039;s house and community as if it is one&#039;s own.  This is a question for us to consider in our discussion of ethnic rhetorics.  Where is our home in relation to ethnic rhetorics?  How do we enter into and engage the discourses and communities of our colleagues, our students, our neighbors?  How do we heed Royster&#039;s advice to &quot;talk across boundaries WITH others instead of FOR, about, and around them? &quot; (620).

Royster&#039;s essay gets me every time, brings me up, turns me around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Double the fun.</p>
<p>You provide a thoughtful read of Gale&#8217;s essay.  I was interested in the struggle in Gale&#8217;s essay, too. The struggle to identify and disidentify with a community, a people, and a political system that silenced so many, including Gale.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to compare/contrast Gale&#8217;s essay with Royster&#8217;s.  Both call for honesty and for truth.  Royster&#8217;s essay, though, is firmly situated in the African American community, and her essay, since it was the Chair&#8217;s address, has a quality of directly speaking to the reader/listener.  There are many moments when I feel Royster is speaking dead-on to us: telling difficult truths about how her voice&#8211;and those of African Americans&#8211; have been misrecognized, misheard, silenced, run over the top of.  I hear &#8220;rhetorical listening&#8221; all over the place, and I hear her comments about the &#8220;home training&#8221;&#8211;not walking all over somebody&#8217;s house and community as if it is one&#8217;s own.  This is a question for us to consider in our discussion of ethnic rhetorics.  Where is our home in relation to ethnic rhetorics?  How do we enter into and engage the discourses and communities of our colleagues, our students, our neighbors?  How do we heed Royster&#8217;s advice to &#8220;talk across boundaries WITH others instead of FOR, about, and around them? &#8221; (620).</p>
<p>Royster&#8217;s essay gets me every time, brings me up, turns me around.</p>
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		<title>Comment on _Literacy in American Lives_ by Deborah Brandt: Literacy Narrative, Part 2 by legries</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on _Literacy in American Lives_ by Deborah Brandt: Literacy Narrative, Part 2 by Eileen E. Schell</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 21:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terri:  Thanks for posting your responses to Brandt&#039;s interview questions.  We had a good discussion in class about our Brandt interview responses after we did about 25 minutes of interviews with each other.  We addressed the first three major areas of Brandt&#039;s questions.  We didn&#039;t have time for more.  Your responses echo with those we discussed in class.  Parents were major influences/literacy sponsors for many of us.  I don&#039;t remember anyone mentioning a Mrs. Blackwell figure, but we didn&#039;t have a lot of time to report out the interviews, so perhaps someone might have brought that out if more time was available.  

I was particularly interested in what you said about not being noticed for your reading ability/language gifts, perhaps because you were quiet?  I wonder, too, about the ways that your fellow students got placed in the advanced groups or honor&#039;s courses.  Grades?  Perceived ability?  Favoritism?  Influence of another teacher or even a parent?   The Mrs. Blackwells of the world?

I remember in the second grade the teacher asked us to name our reading groups.  Since we were in the advanced reading group, my fellow second grade reading group members decided to call ourselves &quot;The Roadrunners&quot; because we were fast readers.  The &quot;lower&quot; group referred to themselves as &quot;The Slowpokes,&quot; likening themselves to turtles.  I remember at the time it all seemed logical and quite funny (I remember the &quot;Slowpokes&quot; giggling and laughing when they announced their name), but I cringe now that the labeling and tracking was so blatant, so self-consciously created, and that the students even bought into it so that we named ourselves accordingly....

Good stuff here, Terri!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terri:  Thanks for posting your responses to Brandt&#8217;s interview questions.  We had a good discussion in class about our Brandt interview responses after we did about 25 minutes of interviews with each other.  We addressed the first three major areas of Brandt&#8217;s questions.  We didn&#8217;t have time for more.  Your responses echo with those we discussed in class.  Parents were major influences/literacy sponsors for many of us.  I don&#8217;t remember anyone mentioning a Mrs. Blackwell figure, but we didn&#8217;t have a lot of time to report out the interviews, so perhaps someone might have brought that out if more time was available.  </p>
<p>I was particularly interested in what you said about not being noticed for your reading ability/language gifts, perhaps because you were quiet?  I wonder, too, about the ways that your fellow students got placed in the advanced groups or honor&#8217;s courses.  Grades?  Perceived ability?  Favoritism?  Influence of another teacher or even a parent?   The Mrs. Blackwells of the world?</p>
<p>I remember in the second grade the teacher asked us to name our reading groups.  Since we were in the advanced reading group, my fellow second grade reading group members decided to call ourselves &#8220;The Roadrunners&#8221; because we were fast readers.  The &#8220;lower&#8221; group referred to themselves as &#8220;The Slowpokes,&#8221; likening themselves to turtles.  I remember at the time it all seemed logical and quite funny (I remember the &#8220;Slowpokes&#8221; giggling and laughing when they announced their name), but I cringe now that the labeling and tracking was so blatant, so self-consciously created, and that the students even bought into it so that we named ourselves accordingly&#8230;.</p>
<p>Good stuff here, Terri!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Quintessential Essentials by Terri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you consider it, narrative is quite valuable in our classrooms because often what we want of student work (the &quot;best&quot; kind) are creative academic texts.  Good narrative can often act as a bridge to this point.  In our profession, pure narrative would be eschewed, but some narrative combined with academic reasoning is generally enjoyed.
Laurie’s point that “narrative is not valued as an ‘appropriate’ mode of discourse in much of academia because it is considered a feminine discursive act” is apt.  I would hazard the guess that storytelling is envisioned as “women’s work” – akin to reading to the babies at bedtime.  While that certainly shouldn’t be de-valued, as we’ve seen from Ong, story-telling ideals emerge largely from orality.  Since this gets stereotyped as concrete rather than abstract, communal rather than solitary, and primitive rather than advanced, I am not surprised narrative writing is the “scribbling work of women” – primitive introductory writing one must move past to achieve the better, more abstract “reasoned” sort men do (or, as Donovan Hohn suggested in “Composing as a Man,” which I envision as a companion essay to Flynns’ piece, less empowered work, since it is an “invisible” voice “devoid of agency” because it lacks embodiment 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you consider it, narrative is quite valuable in our classrooms because often what we want of student work (the &#8220;best&#8221; kind) are creative academic texts.  Good narrative can often act as a bridge to this point.  In our profession, pure narrative would be eschewed, but some narrative combined with academic reasoning is generally enjoyed.<br />
Laurie’s point that “narrative is not valued as an ‘appropriate’ mode of discourse in much of academia because it is considered a feminine discursive act” is apt.  I would hazard the guess that storytelling is envisioned as “women’s work” – akin to reading to the babies at bedtime.  While that certainly shouldn’t be de-valued, as we’ve seen from Ong, story-telling ideals emerge largely from orality.  Since this gets stereotyped as concrete rather than abstract, communal rather than solitary, and primitive rather than advanced, I am not surprised narrative writing is the “scribbling work of women” – primitive introductory writing one must move past to achieve the better, more abstract “reasoned” sort men do (or, as Donovan Hohn suggested in “Composing as a Man,” which I envision as a companion essay to Flynns’ piece, less empowered work, since it is an “invisible” voice “devoid of agency” because it lacks embodiment</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 04:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting! I taught a narrative unit at UNH, and I always thought it was &quot;soft,&quot; but after I read these articles, I&#039;ve realized that a narrative can tap into arguments and identities that aren&#039;t accessible through straight academic &quot;reason.&quot; What if we taught our students the power of a narrative? After all, we are storytellers, we humans. Isn&#039;t it time we give the story - the person - the individual - his or her due? What are we doing, anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting! I taught a narrative unit at UNH, and I always thought it was &#8220;soft,&#8221; but after I read these articles, I&#8217;ve realized that a narrative can tap into arguments and identities that aren&#8217;t accessible through straight academic &#8220;reason.&#8221; What if we taught our students the power of a narrative? After all, we are storytellers, we humans. Isn&#8217;t it time we give the story &#8211; the person &#8211; the individual &#8211; his or her due? What are we doing, anyway?</p>
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